No i don't think so.
Pretext Phone calls are a way of recording you from the Police station to your residence and it does not come under the new law changes on Phone tapping. You can say that they're bending the rules to suit themselves and isn't that typical.

It's sad that the Dept have acted this way to win cases...and why do the dept want to win cases so bad? Some cases, yes, need to be won for children to be actually protected otherwise 32 children in the last year wouldn't have died from fatal assaults (11) and 21 suicides...these are all preventable deaths...that could've been prevented not by lies but by the dept just doing their job, investigating and reporting on parents who have drug and drinking habits, getting children physically observed and recorded and by actually being involved in with these families...they ahve a system that can determine a family risk...

But instead for the Dept every family is the same, if they have one argument between the adults, there's Domestic and Family violence and they don't care on what magnitude...they just stick every family together in the same box...I can hear from ppl here that there are no drinking or drug issues, mental illness etc...but we're not given a fair enough investigation to determine properly that how we are dealilng with our families is nothing like families with issues...

But then in saying that, there were two twin babies who weren't involved in the report on the 07-08 child death reviews who died and this family also didn't fit the same typical criteria of an abusive family...

What sickens me was there were 32 deaths that could've been preventable in the past year but the dept won't take the blame, they just want to be a law unto themselves to make sure all risk of harm is prevented by removing all kids from all questionable families and that's not how the law acts...

According to the Children's Commission annual report and the Childrens Death Case Review Committee annual report, in all 479 children died in the last year with 63 of these being known to the dept in the 3 years previous to their deaths. What isn't indicated is how many of them were actually in care when they died.

How accurate this report is I don't know but it does call for proper monitoring of the Dept when how do we know out of the 21 suicides, were children dying b/c of the dept being involved...

I know my son throughout the year while in care nearly 3-4 times became a statistic for next years report nearly actioning his suicidal ideation and only at the age of 11 b/c he didn't want to be in care anymore, they never wanted to go in care, they never felt, or were abused...the only person I abused was the CSO...but still my kids nearly paid for it with their lives and their emotional and psychological wellbeing is damaged against thinking of government depts are balanced, trusting or fair....they will never think that now.

That is really heavy...what you just said in your post. I will go and read around this stuff. So sorry for you and your family for this experience...it is very emotional reading.

Have you contacted Angela and put in for the class action?

Yes and if the Child commits suicide they say see this is evidence of Child abuse and they never say there is a chance the child committed suicide because the child missed its parents.

If you ever have an argument with staff from Child Safety this is where the vendetta starts, you have to be 100% compliant or else.

Yes that's them.

Another one that is missing is the amount of children over the age of 10 that have committed suicide after pleading with their foster carers and DOCS that they wanted to go home and all allegations of abuse were lies, this is where the shredder comes into play..

A real sick one that D.C.P did to my children was hold them captive for a few days in one of their apparent "safe houses" while subjecting them (especially one(had a weakness)) to nothing but emotional blackmail so as to force a dodgy statement to enable the keeping of said children from loving parents. These activities were obviously not recorded in any possible way by the Department. The problem they have though is that this one child, pushed over the edge, did tha bolt from this hell-house and with musta been nothing but pure child-mother instincts, located said mother, informed her that was being forced to make dodgy statement, got torn away by Department freaks soonish thereafter (Located child), but even and still has this info present, in Black n Fkn White on the "official" statement of interview trying to tell these monsters, but instead of being listened to, gets re-directed from path of exposing these creatures by filthy Detective doing interview..!!! Huh... and charges are still laid... children gone..! Even a forensic examination soonish after that... nothing.!! WTF...??

(Doc says, "Everything fine, but that neither proves nor disproves!")

Child tries to get back home by continually running from Department and Foster home, during which telling these demons; statement is all bollocks, want to go home (didn't get end of bargain!). Child states to mother during contact, "I've tried telling them, they wont listen or say they don't believe me!" Parents try on numerous occasions to have child heard by case worker and/or Department and to explain what "really" happened in hell-house as to why child so distressed and stating such "apparent" anomalies to staff.

Typical corrupt answers, "Don't have to justify ourselves and "That's not the information we have!"" And, aswell, also: "It would not be in the best interests of the child!">WHAT: Having the God-given right to tell the truth, to be heard, to put an end to their BS, to come back home where child feels comfortable, needs and wants to be at.. FFS

Give all this info and more to appropriate levels/avenues of apparent authority only to discover you may as well lay down, close your eyes n cark-it. And, this be only small slice of what these freaks have done to my family.

No sir, I do not like these family destroying, incompetent, worthless (in this case(and others)), horrid, breath-smells-like-need-more-bog-roll..... things

B.T.W: I am well aware that there do indeed exist some in mentioned Department that have a heart and do their job properly. Unfortunately, they're out-numbered by at least 1000/1. Not alot you can do when you know is all wrong, but know that if you try, you'll be publicly destroyed (Treated like the average "Abusive" family).

(They did tha dark crayon trick to my children as well, used it against mother in court, via scum (in their pocket) psychologist.)



Thank you... had my outburst, good for a bit longer.!

I can very much understand why your user name is as it is...I was there once...and after sticking to my guns and kept on relaying the truth for my kids but to other bodies and in writing at the same time as working with the crappy dept for legal means by proving their claims were exactly and deliberately false I finally got my kids home...in one way or another...NOW it's time for this country and state to know what really happened to my children while in care, how they were treated and how the dept severely anomalised their own Child Safety Practice Manual...

My advise to you AbouttoPOP is keep everything in writing, don't front the dept about it while the kids are in their care, work on getting them home by proving the dept's claims false with professionals YOU choose and keep a diary of everything...

When the kids are home and safe then you make an issue of it...for now concentrate on getting the kids home...the dept is protected by every other independant agency around...Ombudsman, Commission for Young People etc...it's sad I know but you will have your chance to tell the world the truth, it just can't be while your children are in care...

But by all means file the TRUTH in affidavit material against the Dept...and never trust the Children's Sep rep, they work along with the dept and not for the children....

Lovnmykids who nearly Popped...

Mmmm... We have kept a track record of absolutely everything these so called protectors of "family values" have done to our family, since day 1, this time last year. Is our first anniversary without our children where they belong and most importantly, have continually expressed, they wish to be. You're absolutely right about the Ombudsman n Co, they did nothing but indirectly assist the Department to gain a "Procedural" advantage by continual delay tactics. We started on their own battleground and ended up at the Corruption and Crime Commission's doorstep, via harrassing Terry Murphy (Director General(D.C.P)). They all did a beaut job of keeping our focus on them, the core of these vexacious proceedings. I wish we had of "discovered" this site and similar ones a year ago and (myself) hadn't of been so naive as to expect justice from these animals. I/we were so adamant that with all the evidence, they couldn't ignore us and would have to release our children from their false imprisonment. If only hey...!? If only would mean that these cruel individuals wouldn't have railroaded us into getting 18yr protection orders "against" our children and I wouldn't be facing the prospect of spending a great deal of my life behind bars. And yet, with the grace of tha righteous, I still walk amoungst you. (That's food for thought, i tell ya!)

To make it worse, my lawyers have been making it difficult for me to access information about my own fricken case. I'm assuming the pressures from the general legal community around them plus the fact that they are defending an alleged pedophile plus the fact that I love dissecting their (D.P.P) pathetic submissions (so as to slap em with it) must be leaving a slight smell on their suits. Shit happens... do ya job... damnit.

It's not just me relying on ya's...! Although, to be fair, my impatience has upset them on a couple of occasions. Hehe...

Anyhow, the main thing that keeps me going is the FACT that my children send me their love via mum, buy me prezzies, ask how I am doing and compliment on how they want to come home. I must be a pretty damn bad-ass pedo to still, after all they've been subjected to, after all this time, throughout all tha continued manipulation, still fuckn love me and want to be back within my presence.

And I tell ya what, for the shite to have happened to my children or anyone's children for that matter, they sure as shit wouldn't even talk about ya.! Which reminds me (sadly), the buggas (D.C.P) even got a court order to force them to stop talking about me in the early days. How sick is that.!? Saying they didn't want to and that it was upsetting them to even look at a picture of me, let alone talk. Absolute scum..!!! (Is what they are)

So anyhows, take that D.C.P fkn scumbags... they still got spirit and if I brought them up right (obviously did), they are gonna help me stick ya in tha back, ya plicks!!

mmm... so much to say... bit by bit... need coffee.

(Hehehe... is pretty obvious in any court when they invite you to "discuss" the apparent facts (as they fabricate them) of the case one day, then the next in court they try to get a restraining order put on ya.!!(Got shot down pretty savagely by Magistrate))

Normal Mate, the above is normal as mine did exactly the same. See their job is to get you a win and they never give any info they don't have to. You are on a need to know and you don't need to know in their eyes.
Trust me I have become very strong on these Criminal cases as even my Lawyer tells me I'm becoming very switched on with these types of legal matters.
As for family matters I don't know too much about them as we never fully lost our kids but I have A strong knowledge on Sex Criminal matters and one day myself and another will tell the world how we got this knowledge first hand and its legal.

NO IT DIDN'T COME FROM THE INTERNET OR A BOOK!

My thoughts are absolutely with you AboutoPop, very much so...you know it's amazing the amount of men (I don't know about woman) who are being accused of sexually abusing their own children while the Federal police are busting big time persons using the internet for child porn and other porn rings,...and if these persons are guilty of this, these mongrels probably use the excuse they are innocent making the argument for real innocent victims seem empty...

Yes your children will be your biggest proof that they never were abused...but it's getting them heard by the right independant agencies who have no links with Child Protection...

My thoughts are always with the innocent families, parents and children accused of false accusations which effect them, how they get away with this is unbelievable but the sad fact of the matter is they are....