Just got back from work and just got my usual late phone call from my lawyer and he has honestly said that another lawyer and barrister that he uses have never heard of this before that crayon, pen tampering by DoCS giving a child a collection of only dark colors to use has ever come to their attention but my lawyer did say that the barrister told him the jury's have been swung in the direction of the prosecution because of drawings in court used by the prosecution to show the jury that the dark drawings are evidence that this child has been abused, thus bringing on a conviction especially if the case is evenly poised.
I think what he was trying to say as we all know how lawyers like making things complicated, if a case is well balanced where the jury thinks the person could be guilty but at the same time there is insufficient evidence to convict a person the showing of a doctored dark drawing could be sufficient to swing the jury to give a verdict of guilty. I think pandora's box has been opened here.
And as he said people have been sent to jail for a long time because of the above and this alone could cause massive ramifications to the legal system, just think, I would like to know how many child sex cases have gone through the courts where the prosecution used drawings as a means of showing suspected child abuse and you can bet your bottom dollar, they wouldn't be showing the pretty colourful ones to the jury.

I Hate Gov, I sent you a PM.

And the above is exactly what I have experienced whilst on Jury duty not that long ago, Its just as well he was found not guilty.
Now when I sat out the back of another Child abuse case not long after the first one this case also had dark drawings introduced via an expert.
The question now I'm asking is I bet most of child abuse cases that go to court somehow some sort of drawing will be introduced and if these drawings were rigged by staff from child safety or one of there other departments like SACS anyone that has been convicted should have a re-trial at the tax payers expense and the person responsible for rigging the use of only dark colors be bought to court after being charges with perverting the course of justice and any other thing that they can throw at them.

The perfect counter attack to these rigged dark drawings.

Well! This has never been seen before DoCS stole my children Your honour It seems questionable this evidence has been submitted to the court as evidence primarily used against the deponents.

It could well be the children have been introduced to these dark themes since being removed or the children are obviously projecting vivid thoughts of despair from the trauma of being torn from their loved ones. Any such evidence that DocS have obtained from drawing sessions are indeed after the fact of intervention and may we use this evidence in future for this proceeding.

I request your honour to include the evidence for latter use on the grounds to offer the indication of the children's emotional deterioration since being removed from parental care.

What I noticed in our case was the kids were drawing pictures before anything else, Even when the wife and kids were bullied, blackmailed, (We will remove your children if you don't go ahead with the counselling) intimidated one of the first things they did in both places DoCS and SACS was to get the kids to draw pictures. Now My eldest told me only last night that once the drawings we complete the Fat Bitch took them off the kids and stared at them for a while before taking them away. Now this happened both at DoCS and SACS.
Now I have three questions.
1/ I originally said that DOCS told my wife that the kids need counselling because they miss their dad
Answer= If this was the case in all the untold visits why didn't they ever mention hows your dad or EVER bring up an conversation about your dad except that saying that your dad is in trouble you know
2/ Both DoCS and SACS got the three kids to draw pictures from day one of the first visits.
Answer= Yes this happened and was logged and recorded when this happened but the thing that puzzled both my missus and myself in both cases, different location, different people did EXACTLY the same as when they came and took the drawing away they picked them up off the kids or table and didn't move for a while and stood there looking at the pictures of what the children drew.
3/ You would think that in both cases in both different locations that the staff would behave different?
Answer= NO they didn't, they behaved EXACTLY THE SAME like if this was apart of their training manual to study the pictures as soon as you get them off the kids and this alone shows you that they have something sinister behind their motives.

I sat down today with the other half and read all the interesting bits on this site and its now painting a picture and this picture of ours is made up of all colours not what child safety seem to be doing.
When it comes to ethics that word went out the window 50 years ago as I found out during my brothers trial, See my brother stole some money years ago and eventually got caught and a certain amount of money was stolen but at my brothers trial a amount a lot higher was said to have been stolen and my question I would like to know as my brother swear on our mothers grave is that he never stole that much money so in simple terms who stole the rest?

As for this docs child safety nothing would surprise me as they would have to be in bed with all its agency and in bed with the police and they would be in bed with the crown so there is your answer as its anything goes these days if you have to go to trial for any criminal offence.

I will have to add at a later date of what I call lack of ethics in a court room on someones trial, Or better still dirty tactics used by a prosecutor to lead a jury.Did he get away with it ? NO

I agree about the money situation. I've also heard of quantities of drugs go missing by hearing time.


By crown do you mean the federal courts.

Don't count the feds out entirely although they enjoy their little bits of fun in family courts they also see things as they are with the state government agencies.

The child protection act is a federal act and the state government agencies have been seen and proven to butcher it in every way possible.

The federal courts and organisations are sick to the stomach of the states power over Australians and these stae agencies willingness to thumb it's nose at the civil rights included within child protection act.

Due to this The family court system has been know to overturn DoCS hold over children in a heart beat. You realise why DoCS try to slow proceeding down to a crawl in the magistrates courts and stop appeals getting higher up. The two legislatures are in a type of unspoken cold war. Both children and parents are the victims in this bureaucratic battle and the federal courts are even aware of this.

The reason the federal government and the state government are so separated, is that some time ago, upon the when the states became united under the one national flag, the states acted like a little child that threatened to chuck tantrums and divide the nation upon any interference the federal legislature had upon the people, deeming it to be a totalitarian model that risked the liberty of the people. In hind sight this is ironic as the little child has grown greedy and deluded upon it absolute power and has become what it hates. The federal government has a long way to come back and it is now concentrating on civil liberties when it has to deal with state agencies.

You can only trust balance in politics and not absolute power, so even the federal government needs to be in check. However letting the feds have a little room to move wont hurt our current situation.

The supreme and districts courts.
When you are charged the charge sheet shows the crown versus Jo whoever

Ahh I see. My bad.

One of the main problems is that people can not afford good legal representation and quite often the solicitor is willing to bend over not backwards but forward on all fours to get the aid grant and do absolutely as little as possible to get through it and not even care about who wins.

The legal aid solicitor we were given, before it was too late admitted he knew fuck all about childrens court and took on only some cases.

I knew it was wrong from the word go. My wife took a little convincing and felt secure with the token solicitor and suit fighting for her. He thought we were a give in easy case.

When she finally got sick of his useless apathetic litigation abilities she rose to the challenge. My god I was glad that day arrived, as I dont trust legal aid period.

Sometime Mate you have to learn the law yourself and help the overpaid Solicitor and Barrister, Get the hint read my PM.